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The Defiled Knight · Aug 03, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Your worried about the price of a great online game expansion when you don't even have to pay a monthly fee? If GW did have a monthly fee then I would see atleast some slight point in this thread.

Yawgmoth · Aug 03, 2007, 01:36 PM // 13:36

I'd still prefer to have an option to buy GW:EN + 2 slots for 50$, to make it on par with a full campagin, and I would buy that. It would still be a little wrong - an expansion valued exactly same as a full game, but what we got now is even worse.

Wulfgast · Aug 03, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

The problem is, this thread could've had a point, but the OP kind of ruined it.

For the sake of argument, I think $29.99 is a fair expectation for something billed as "just an expansion". Most people I know IRL were a little surprised at the suggested retail price, but that won't keep us from buying it, either.

However, the size of GW:EN isn't being taken into account here. There are areas that exist entirely underground, and multi-leveled dungeons... there's no way to tell how huge this is by just looking at the expanded Tyria map. If Anet decided to charge $39.99 instead, they probably had a damn good reason. My guess is that GW:EN is nearly as large as a full game (without the training grounds), and has to be billed as an expansion because you can't start new characters. I bet we're going to get the bang for our buck, and we may be a little surprised by it, too.

Have some faith in the company that developed one of your favorite games. And if nothing else, just think that your extra $10 is going to help fund development for GW2.

gabrial heart · Aug 03, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

I was a bit surprised at the cost as well, but after seeing all the new content, the upgraded engine, 10 new heros, armor, skills, etc. I think it's a pretty decent deal.

Not sure why people get flustered about the slots, there aren't any new professions in GW:EN, nor can you start a toon there.

Takeko Nakano · Aug 03, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Simple solutions.

1. Wait until the price comes down.
2. Move to a country that charges reasonable prices for games - e.g. the UK, at £17.99.

Seissor · Aug 03, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

new char slots..why? its for EXISTING characters. biggest rip off? 0.o this looks to add the MOST SENSIBLE CONTENT! no more baby nub nub boo boo gah gah island this is how you walk, Left click! It's all ascended you kill anyguy he might drop something good, not, hey i killed 50 000 baddies and i got a buncha crap worth 2 pennies cuz they were all lvl 8

Verdura Mindcatcher · Aug 03, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Yeah when I found out tha GW:EN wasn't going to have Giant Ninja Hamsters I lost interest

In all truth I would like to pick up it but I might wait awhile.

pamelf · Aug 03, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Wait a second... I am so confused right now.

Here in Australia I have had to pay $89.95 for all the campaigns, but now I'm only being charged $49.95 for GW:EN. As you can see, it's almost half price!

So, is this different for everyone else? Did the Australian's finally get lucky in their pricing? If it's the same everywhere then I have no idea what this whole topic is all about, if not, how come all of a sudden we're being charged the price of a 'traditional expansion' when others are charged the same as a campaign?

Mohnzh · Aug 03, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Yeah, this thread would work better without the ", GWEN" in it. I just checked how many hours I've logged into GW, and I can truly say that my hours/$ ratio is so incredibly higher for this game than any other game, I would never call ANet a ripoff. And like was mentioned before, the way they keep updating and doing bonus weekends and all the extra features and the PvE vs PvP and the titles and the collectors and the and the and the. ANet and GW rule. And I'd rather not think about MapleStory. I only played that while waiting on Nightfall to be released.

mazik · Aug 03, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by acidic

gimmicks likes bonus mission pack, Collector editions, pre-releases are ripoffs. But Gwen at 39.99 is borderline ripoff, i will withhold my judgment until i see how the new content rolls out, but as of now it looks like the least bang for your buck

uh oh....that ill logic has spread 0.o. Yes...free stuff is a rip off....I suggest you go back to sleep, you need all the rest you can get.

Why did the OP even post this? Is he really this dumb/arrogant? Or is he a sad little 12 year old sitting at home and making posts like this to get whatever online attention he can muster?

Ugh...close this please, mods.

Moa Bird Cultist · Aug 03, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Well, I'd say that considering most games these days last a couple of days at most, less if you're an accomplished player in that particular genre, then saying GWEN, and by extension GW in general is, of all things, a ripoff is like waving a red flag to a bull. Frankly, theres a massive amount of evidence against this and it's as everyones already said, the sheer playing time you get out of the game. Even if you only get into the game very casually, you can still expect 500 hours playtime before boredom sets in.

Now, lets say for sake of argument that you've paid 200 pounds or dollars or whatever for all 3 campaigns plus gwen. You'll have been ripped off if you had, because it should only cost 40 each at the very most unless you go for the CE every time like I have done. but even then, 500 hours for 200 bob, thats 2 and a half hours per unit of currency. If you're hardcore and have been in from the very beginning or near enough, have all 3 CEs and multiple character slots, bonus items, GOTY upgrade, etc + GWEN, then lets use my example.

My main account has access to all 3 campaigns, has the factions and nightfall CEs and the prophecies GOTY/1mil upgrade. I have 19 character slots and 3 fulltime PvE characters. This has cost me almost exactly £200. Once GWEN comes out, I will have spent about £230 on the game. Then there's my playtime. 2500 hours. You realise that means nearly 11 hours per pound spent? I don't think theres a single other game on the planet that could match that for me, because the most time I've spent playing any other game is around the four to five hundred mark.

And thats from my old skool games - there's been nothing in the past 6 or 7 years thats managed to hold my attention that long, with the possible exception of a couple of the Nippon Ichi strategy games and even they only last me 250 hours at best. Still, I consider any game that lasts me >100 hours to be a worthy purchase, so you can imagine what I think of GW...

captain_carter · Aug 03, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

I think the main thing that means GW:EN is an expansion and not a standalone game/campaign is the lack of a starter area, which in turn means you have to have one of the previous campaigns.

Nowhere in that does it say less content.
So basically all that you're not getting is 2 character slots, well it's $10 cheaper so one charcter slot, and there is little reason to give that slot.

The previous campaigns have thrown in that slot for free because there are new professions to try, and it's quite possible that there will be much more content to compensate for the lack of said free slot.

hobbit man · Aug 03, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by mazik

uh oh....that ill logic has spread 0.o. Yes...free stuff is a rip off....I suggest you go back to sleep, you need all the rest you can get.

Why did the OP even post this? Is he really this dumb/arrogant? Or is he a sad little 12 year old sitting at home and making posts like this to get whatever online attention he can muster?

Ugh...close this please, mods.

First, free stuff? Collectors Editions aren't free, either is the bonus pack. I don't think Collector's Editions are ripoffs though...many games have them.

Wait, I'm dumb/arrogant? I think a game's price is unfair and many people seem to agree. Also, I'm trying to get attention? Are you on crack or just pretending to be an idiot? I've visited this thread once since I made it...yeah, I'm begging for your attention. I've made only like 20 posts on this site...do you know why? It's impossible to get through to people as thickheaded as people on this board. They think GW is still considered a great game. Most MMO players don't even look twice at it. GW doesn't seem to get many sales anymore even though it is a free MMO and it's almost one of a kind.

You don't have to be a dumbass to see through that. I'm just trying to make...somewhat of a point. I chose price...I figured most people would agree it was slightly overpriced, but they can't even admit that. I'm sure ANET knows they are charging too much, and I'm sure they have their reason. I'm sure the main reason is that they aren't getting as much money from Guild Wars as they hoped. I'm sure that they are only making this game for a few last minute $$$ because they really just want to move onto GW2. They know they made mistakes on GW and they can't change that with expansions so they will have to make GW2. They realize that with the way Guild Wars is, they can't really improve it much more because there will always be a lack of depth in pve.

With all honesty, I've defended ANET and GW in many ways. I've said it was better than WoW and that the game is great. I love the game, have like 1000 + hours on it over 26 months. But, I've learned to look at the other side and I've read a lot of criticisms and I think I can easily appreciate the criticisms. The fans can't seem to criticize this game and think that anyone that disagrees is wrong...

Anyway, someone can close this thread...I don't give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.

hobbit man · Aug 03, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Lol, I like the REDENGINE thing that came up, pretty funny.

Btw, most of y'all won't listen but I know we can all agree that GW is a dieing game. If you've been playing for a couple years...look at your friend lists. How many of the people that you met on Guild Wars when you started still play? For me, it's 1 and he only does RA at some random times (maybe once or twice a week)...plus I know him in real life. I kinda did that as an experiment...it proves my point...Guild Wars is dieing and ANET wants some money before they move onto GW2.

Anyway, I'm getting GWEN and GW2 so call me an idiot...I already know I'm stupid for buying another Guild Wars game *sigh*

Btw, there's no point mentioning playtime, all MMOs give you a large amount of playtime. GW is the only MMO I play and it's given me a lot of playtime, but not as much as another game...Super Smash Brothers Melee>.<

I still like GW a lot but I can't argue with the fact that it's dieing and there are almost no new players.

WinterSnowblind · Aug 03, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by hobbit man

Lol, I like the REDENGINE thing that came up, pretty funny.

Btw, most of y'all won't listen but I know we can all agree that GW is a dieing game. If you've been playing for a couple years...look at your friend lists. How many of the people that you met on Guild Wars when you started still play? For me, it's 1 and he only does RA at some random times (maybe once or twice a week)...plus I know him in real life. I kinda did that as an experiment...it proves my point...Guild Wars is dieing and ANET wants some money before they move onto GW2.

Anyway, I'm getting GWEN and GW2 so call me an idiot...I already know I'm stupid for buying another Guild Wars game *sigh*

If you've been playing any game for that amount of time, you're bound to get bored of it eventually. I know quite a few people who still play the game who started when Prophecies was first released, and a lot of new people who just recently started playing. One of the great things about GW is that it's easy to come back to, after taking a few months off, unlike something like WoW, where you have to go through the awkward process of canceling, and then renewing your subscription.

You can't say a game is dying because some people have stopped playing the game. From what I can tell, more people play the game now then ever before.

hobbit man · Aug 03, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Lol, I like the REDENGINE thing that came up, pretty funny.

Btw, most of y'all won't listen but I know we can all agree that GW is a dieing game. If you've been playing for a couple years...look at your friend lists. How many of the people that you met on Guild Wars when you started still play? For me, it's 1 and he only does RA at some random times (maybe once or twice a week)...plus I know him in real life. I kinda did that as an experiment...it proves my point...Guild Wars is dieing and ANET wants some money before they move onto GW2.

Anyway, I'm getting GWEN and GW2 so call me an idiot...I already know I'm stupid for buying another Guild Wars game *sigh*

Btw, there's no point mentioning playtime, all MMOs give you a large amount of playtime. GW is the only MMO I play and it's given me a lot of playtime, but not as much as another game...Super Smash Brothers Melee>.<

I still like GW a lot but I can't argue with the fact that it's dieing and there are almost no new players.

quickmonty · Aug 03, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

My oldest character is 26 months old. I have all three chapters on two accounts. I believe I have gotten my money's worth so far. I have purchased the GWEN pre-release and will probably buy the full expansion(s) when it is released. I was a little surprised by the cost, thinking that it would be $10 cheaper, but will pay that cost if the preview looks good.

If you feel that the cost is too high .... don't buy it.

I don't see GW dieing. Yes, some of my previous ingame friends have left, but I've made new friends. Even though people leave our guild (their own choice or getting booted for inactivity) we maintain a fairly constant membership, with a lot of people joining our guild that are new to GW. People come and people go. Say goodbye to those that have moved on and make new friends. Sorry to hear that your friend doesn't play much anymore, but there ARE a lot of new players if you bother to look around.

Loviatar · Aug 03, 2007, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

I was a little surprised by the cost, thinking that it would be $10 cheaper, but will pay that cost if the preview looks good.

GAMESTOP GWEN WITH PREORDER IS 39.99

GW/FACTIONS/NIGHTFALL WERE 49.99

TO ME THAT IS 10 DOLLARS CHEAPER

also all that training area for new players is replaced by level 20 content so i can play instead of nursemaid characters up to level 20

no new professions so no extra slots.

HOBBIT WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR SALES FIGURES ANYWAY?

NO FIGURES= CRAP FOR CRED

Link Weaver · Aug 03, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by hobbit man

Lol, I like the REDENGINE thing that came up, pretty funny.

Btw, most of y'all won't listen but I know we can all agree that GW is a dieing game. If you've been playing for a couple years...look at your friend lists. How many of the people that you met on Guild Wars when you started still play? For me, it's 1 and he only does RA at some random times (maybe once or twice a week)...plus I know him in real life. I kinda did that as an experiment...it proves my point...Guild Wars is dieing and ANET wants some money before they move onto GW2.

Anyway, I'm getting GWEN and GW2 so call me an idiot...I already know I'm stupid for buying another Guild Wars game *sigh*

Btw, there's no point mentioning playtime, all MMOs give you a large amount of playtime. GW is the only MMO I play and it's given me a lot of playtime, but not as much as another game...Super Smash Brothers Melee>.<

I still like GW a lot but I can't argue with the fact that it's dieing and there are almost no new players.

All my friends play on my friends list sept two of em. lol hobbit man went to a diff forum (gamespot GW:EN) and asked toast if hes right. For thoses who dont know toast , hes a gw hater because he found he wasent very good at the game so for 2 years he trys to flame anyone who tends to say the word gw. Anywho why would you post somthing like is gw a ripoff on a GW SITE , your bound to get flamed......

sindex · Aug 03, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by hobbit man

Lol, I like the REDENGINE thing that came up, pretty funny.

Btw, most of y'all won't listen but I know we can all agree that GW is a dieing game. If you've been playing for a couple years...look at your friend lists. How many of the people that you met on Guild Wars when you started still play? For me, it's 1 and he only does RA at some random times (maybe once or twice a week)...plus I know him in real life. I kinda did that as an experiment...it proves my point...Guild Wars is dieing and ANET wants some money before they move onto GW2.

Anyway, I'm getting GWEN and GW2 so call me an idiot...I already know I'm stupid for buying another Guild Wars game *sigh*

Btw, there's no point mentioning playtime, all MMOs give you a large amount of playtime. GW is the only MMO I play and it's given me a lot of playtime, but not as much as another game...Super Smash Brothers Melee>.<

I still like GW a lot but I can't argue with the fact that it's dieing and there are almost no new players.

Nice way to lash out at the community and talk about how supposedly, “GW is dieing” (2 things you never want to do here). The price fix for EotN was already in motion way before A-net could say the word “expansion.” Reason for being is the fact that there was another price that came close to this, which was previously relevant. Can you guess what it was? It is something that I can actually see you make a better argument for.

The PvP Packs had been released for some time now and their price consisted of $39.99 U.S. So to me and some others, it took out the guess work to what EotN price was going to be fixed at. The PvP Packs don’t offer anything new other then the fact they have a way to unlock all the skills for PvP, with or without having that particular campaign. That’s it, nothing more and nothing less. However there are others who think they are pretty worth it, but I am not one of them.

So to me EotN is a well deserved price for a new GW product; it has far more to offer then those PvP packs. Nevertheless you can still wait till it comes into the discount bin at your local retail store; or don’t but it at all. The argument that you’re making about price has no warrant if you’re buying it anyway, at the starting price of $39.99. You might also consider making your comparisons a little deeper bearing in mind that you were comparing Super Smash Bro. to GW play time (two very different games).